12/15/2009

Man of Iron, Folk Routes


From: Tron Eivin Ovrebo, 31 December 1997

Cd's with celtic folk music are hard to find in my hometown, so I either buy them in Oslo or by postorder/ Internet. To find new (for me) artist and cd's I often buy collections. Folk Heritage i , ii & iii, Folk Heartbeat, British folk rock and so on. This have introduced me to a lot of fine music, June Tabor, Lick the Tins, Martin Carthy, and many more. The last one I bought was Folk Routes ( Island 74321 22504 2 )

The back sleeves has a picture of the "Spinning Disc Record Studio" with the sleeves of the albums where the tracks are collected from, in the front window, and a Sandy poster on the door, advertising her concert at the New Theatre Oxford Thurs 17th November 197?.

The CD includes Fotheringay's "Peace in the end" and two songs by Sandy: "It Suits Me Well" and "Man of Iron".

The first one is from "Sandy", with the following text on the sleeve: "Comparisons with Kirsty MacColl are entirely justified and worthy." Is this true? Can anyone who know MacColl's album recommend anyone to me.

"Man of Iron" has the following text on the sleeve: "In a callous ruse to attack as many buyers as possible, Sandy Denny's hardest to get single "Man of Iron" is released here on CD for the first time. It was arranged and conducted by Don Fraser and was released in the summer of '72 simultaneously with her "official" single "Listen,Listen" as an EP. It was recorded in Island's Basing street Studios for the film "The pass of arms".

According to the database on Sandy's homepage, this song is also on Attic Tracks vol.1 (cassette., poor quality) and "Dark the Night" (Nixed 006). Are all these the same version?


From: John Penhallow, 2 January 1998

According to the database on Sandy's homepage, this song is also on Attic Tracks 1 and "Dark the Night" (Nixed 006), are all these the same version?

Yes, and while AT1 has been withdrawn due to old age and the best tracks are on the AT CD however if you are that desperate to hear Sandy's "4 Season's Suite" and the choral version of "All our Days" as well as her singing with Charlie Drake (!) then list members can feel free to contact Liz...

12/14/2009

Swedish Fly Girls

Levent Varlik, 18 September 1997

The movie, "Swedish Fly Girls", was originally released as "Christa" in 1971, then re-released as Swedish Fly Girls in 1972.

The album Swedish Fly Girls, Juno Records, S-1003, US1972.

Music produced by Manfred Mann. Album production supervision by Ettore Stratta and Robert Colby.

Performers are uncredited but include Melanie, Sandy Denny, Mose Henry and Manfred Mann & Co. The songs were all written by Mose Henry and Jack O'Connell except Melanie's "Beautiful People".

Queen Bee-Manfred Mann & Co.
Where The Beauties Are-Mose Henry
Easy-Manfred Mann & Co.
Beautiful People-Melanie
Outside Of My Mind-Mose Henry
Water Mother-Sandy Denny
The People Show-Mose Henry
Christa-Manfred Mann & Co.
Broken-Glass Lives-Manfred Mann & Co.
Love Is All I Need-Mose Henry
What Will I Do With Tomorrow-Sandy Denny
On The Move-Mose Henry
Are The Judges Sane?-Sandy Denny
Blot Jeg Meg En Mand Kan Faa-Mose Henry with Children's Chorus
Love Is All I Need-Mose Henry with Children's Chorus
I Need You-Sandy Denny
Crystal Trumpet Smiles-Mose Henry
Sandy performs "Water Mother", "What Will I Do With Tomorrow", "Are The Judges Sane" and "I Need You". There's no performer credits on the record.

The review, written by Kell (You can see the reprint of the original press cutting of this review in Fiddlestix Magazine #38) is below:


Christa(U.S.-Danish-Color)
Cannes, May 15 

Astron (New York) release of Astron & Laleren Film (Denmark) coproduction.
Produced, written and directed by: Jack O’Connell. Stars Birtho Tove, Daniel Galin, Baard Owe, Clinton Greyn, Ciro Elias.
Camera (Eastmancolor): Henning Kristiansen.
Editor: Russell Lloyd.
Musical score, lyrics and playing: Manfred Mann.
Reviewed at Cinema Le Star, Cannes, May 14,’71.
Running Time: 94 MINS.


Jack O’Connell spent the summer of 1969 in Denmark. His San Fransisco feature, "Revolution", fared well at the Danish boxoffice. The Scandinavian easygoing manners, the freshly-green landscapes and the particular cool-yet-hot appeal of haute couture model Birthe Tove tempted O’Connell to make a film there and then. He approached Laterna Film’s open-minded Mogens Skot-Hansen, a production team was set up, the film was shot; then nothing was heard or seen about it till fest time Cannes 1971 with "Christa" posters everywhere.

Reportedly O’Connell’s film had an original running time of close to four hours. The editing job went from one to another until it was beautifully handled by Russell Lloyd. Al Kooper did a musical score for the film but various artistic and financial trouble seems to have arisen and Manfred Mann came around lyrics and another score with more relevance to the story line.

The woman of the title is an airline stewardess in some rather futuristic company. She does all the things airline stewardess normally never do: she flirts brashly with male passangers and give them lifts from the airport in Kastrup to her Copenhagen home where she beds down with them. The sex scenes are mostly tributes to Miss Tove’s spectacular body. The males involved are generally seen as rather stunned spectators as they might well be.

Christa, it appears, has a son by a former, short-lived affair with a young businessman (Baard Owe), but the son is kept at some rural outpost with Christa’s parents. Between lovers, Christa has embarrassing confrontations with her child’s father who is hellbent on trouble and, to prove his absolute impotence in handling the conditions of life, suicide.

Not all Christa’s lovers become real lovers. For instance Daniel Gelin frowns philosophically and insists that music (he is a symphony conductor) demands his life juices.

All the way, film is beautiful in its visual aspects. The dialog and characters are, however, so corny that they have at best camp value and provoke gigles all the way. Camera chief is Henning Kristansen but a cameraman does not, however, make a film.

Birthe Tove is a joy, a natural-born actress who has been used in other current Danish productions, such as Gabriel Axel’s "Harlequin’s Stick" and John Hilbard’s "Bottoms Up". Nudity may have been her main attractions so far, but O’Connell also brings forth an inner beauty that compares favorably with her physical look-alike, Catherine Deneuve.
From: Levent Varlik, September 6, 2002

I've received a message from Mose Henry who was involved with the movie Swedish Fly Girls/Christa.. I'm copying his message below. Some very interesting info.


Hi Levent,

Thanks for contacting me.

I was in London for 12 weeks the spring and summer of 1970. Manfred Mann and I co-produced the music for "Christa". The rythm section was the band who did the London Production of "Hair" and we used London Philharmonic strings and brass. At times a 30 piece rock orchestra for the film. I wrote all of the music, Dereck Wadsworth arranged it Manfred #1 Producer. I was associate producer without credits. I sang "I Need You" with Sandy. Sandy was ill and after she saw the lead sheets of the music she came to the studio to record it anyway, She told me "What Will I Do With Tomorrow" was the most beautiful song she had ever heard. In my book she sang it like an angel. When she sang the final take for that recording the entire studio was lifted to another place and time words cannot describe. The recording said it well enough.

I also sang lead vocals on "Make it to the Land that I Know", "She is Free", and "Love is All I Need".
The film opened in New York in Three Theaters I got to go to one in a Limo and I asked the owner of a theater uptown New York why he had booked the film. He (not knowing I had written and sung the music) said the music touched his heart. The film titled "Christa" did not make enough money as that title so it was re-titled "Swedish Fly Girls". I know that more people saw Christa because fo the new title and that is good. It will always be "Christa" to me. I have 54 pages of lists of countries from BMI (Broadcast Music Inc.) of all the countries the film played in, some for over six years. The film played all over the earth for 18 years

Almost every movie since then has been modeled on "Christa" it was the first film edited to the beat ofthe music and other film makers are using a lot more music in their soundtracks. We were the first to edit to the beat of the music with "Christa".

A wonderous project. I am still doing concerts read "The Miracle Concert" on my website and "The Last Breath" film treatment it is my true story however I did not want the hassell of the publicity for that film project.

Lets keep touch perhaps I will be doing a concert in your area some day. and we could put together a video salute for Sandy. She truly has the voice of an angel.

One Heart
Moses
Mr. Moses MacNaughten
Global Producer/Marketer/Composer/Publicist
Founder One Heart Global Broadcasting Network
www.oneheartnetwork.org


Bio-Background
Mr. MacNaughten has served as Producer/Performer/Publicist for the Earth Society Foundation for the past seven years. ESF was founded by Margaret Mead and John McConnell. They established Earth Day International at the United Nations in 1970. Over the years 33 Nobel laureates have served on their board of Directors.

Mr MacNautghten has logged in over 25,000 hours as an international music and global broadcasting producer and has worked with Ford, Kodak, Uniroyal, Mademoiselle, Revlon, House of Lowenstein, Columbia Records, ABC Paramount, and feature film music themes and scores. Moses was a lead singer with "The Highwaymen" Million Record Selling 60's Folk Group 1964-68. He has performed In-Concert with, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen, Dianna Ross & The Supremes, Richie Havens, Jose Feliciano, The Four Seasons, The Association, Steve Lawrence-Edie Gorme, and Neil Diamond. 

He was the CEO of his own Marketing and Media Production firm on Madison Ave, New York City. He has produced and performed in over 2,000 music concerts in colleges and performing arts centers, and written and produced over 120 songs and commercials, recording 100 of them in studios in London, New York, Las Vegas, Nashville, Atlanta, Orlando, and LA. His music has been presented in Feature Films for American International, and the USA National Park Service. 


Mr MacNaughten worked in Feature Films and TV Productions with John Avildsen Feature Film Director two Academy Awards, John Directed The original "Rocky", "Save The Tiger", "The Karate Kid Films", and "The Power of One". He composed, co-produced with Manfred Mann in London Eng, and performed with a 60-piece Rock Orchestra the feature film score for American International’s "Christa" making film history as the first feature film to be edited to the beat of the music by Russell Lloyd who edited all of John Huston’s films.

Mr. MacNaughten is committed to producing the best positive solution Global Broadcast Shows, and support Gender Balance, Cultural Diversity, Sustainable Ecology, and World Peace. Their Mission is to support people using the Global Media to promote and fund their projects through the broadcast channels of International Radio-TV Internet-Feature Film Broadcast Specials.

PS: Mose Henry/McNaughten died on November 26, 2010-Levent Varlik
From: No'am Newman, December 3, 2009

Last night was broadcast what might be considered one of the rarer items in the Sandy canon: the 'Swedish Fly Girls' film. Not knowing what to expect, I recorded it onto DVD, and today I watched it.
I needn't have bothered. We know that Sandy's involvement with the film was minimal, but in the film itself, she sings maybe ten lines of song. I don't know how I would have reacted to the film when it was released in 1970; it certainly hasn't dated well. Even the title is a misnomer: the film follows a Danish air stewardess and her multiple (but serial) affairs. Although there is a great amount of nudity (I would say that the stewardess is naked for about a third of the film), this nudity is not sexual, and one would have difficulty in characterising it as even soft porn (although of course standards were different in 1970).

If anyone is seriously interested, I could torrent the film, but honestly it's not worth the effort.
From: No'am Newman, December 5, 2009

No nudity in the airplane, although the seating arrangements are very different to what they are now.

There is music accompanying the film almost all the time; about half is instrumental and half is sung. Sandy sings a couplet here, four lines there and another four lines somewhere else. Maybe it's fourteen lines that she sings, not ten. Of course we don't see her! Otherwise the film would have been much higher up our list of Sandy artifacts and it would have been distributed years ago.

Sandy Denny & The Strawbs


From: Tron Eivin Ovrebo, 10 Oct 1997

In the beginning of August I had a wonderful week-end in Copenhagen with my wife and a couple of friends. After a splendid evening in Tivoli, we ended up in a pub (Rosie McGee) with a live-band playing Celtic folk music. Then I remembered that it was about 30 years ago Sandy Denny & the Strawbs were doing their recordings and I perhaps was walking in their footsteps. I couldn't remember if it was recorded in '67 or '68.

Back in Norway I found my Sandy & the Strawbs CD, but wasn't able to say for sure when it was recorded. (I'm not the lucky owner of the original album.)

Dave Cousins says that they recorded it in a cinema at daytime and played at the Tivoli in evenings. Sandy joined Fairport in may '68, so I'guess they recorded it in august '67. Can anyone confirm that? If this is true, they must have had a couple of month back in England with live appearences before Sandy joined Fairport . Is there anybody out there who saw them live?

There are different tracks on the original album and the CD. Does anybody know if there are other recordings/ outtakes from the master wich should have been released to her true friends?
My first Sandy record was the CD pack "Who knows .." and my second was "Northstar.." The Sandy & The Strawbs record is perhaps not her best,(My wife hates it) but when I'm in a good mood I allways come back to this one. (or I play "Listen, listen" with the repeat knob in) I can't understand why it took 5 years to get it released.

Med vennlig hilsen Tron Eivin Ovrebo Stavanger, Norway.
From: Levent Varlik, 11 October 1997

Hi Tron, regarding to your mail, I’m typing some info about the recording dates of All Our Own Work: Patrick Humphries writes in "Meet On The Ledge” (the first edition) as follows (page:19):

"Sandy joined the Strawbs for six months in 1968, and recorded one album with them. Dave Cousins remembered her doing a floor spot at the troubador "looking like an angel, and singing like one." The album was recorded on a 2-track machine in Sweden, but not officially released here until 1973 on a budget label. "All Our Own Work" by Sandy Denny and the Strawbs is virtually a showcase for the material of their leader and principal songwriter David Cousins, and contains a number of his excellent songs beautifully sang by Sandy. It was a foretaste of what was to come on the "splendid" proper Strawbs debut album on A&M the following year"

Clinton Heylin, in "Sad Refrains, The Recordings of Sandy Denny" writes as follows (pages 3-4):
 
"In February 1967 Sandy also recorded a session with the Strawb(erry Hill Boy)s for the BBC (The Strawberry Hill Boys Sing And Play Folk Songs, BBC World Service 21/2/67: Blues Run The game, On My Way, Stay Awhile, Pretty Polly, Tell Me What You See). Again no tape is in circulation, and given that the session was for the BBC World Service, it is unlikely that the BBC have retained a copy -a shame given that it featured unique performances by sandy And The Strawbs of "Blues Run The Game" and "Pretty Polly".


Of Course this session was also the beginning of a brief association with The Strawbs. Since Sandy had previously worked with the Johhny Silvo Folk Group on an occasional basis, she was no stranger to working with a band. It would also appear that, despite reports to the contrary, Sandy was never wholly committed to joining The Strawbs on a permanent basis.

However she had recorded some demos with the band in the spring of 1967, and these had indirectly led to an offer for her and the band to play some shows in Denmark whilst recording an album in Copenhagen in the summer. As such Sandy, Dave Cousins, Ron Chesterman and Tony Hooper headed for Denmark for a two week residency at a club in Tivoli, in the meantime taping songs onto cheap two-track equipment during the day. The results were not released until 1973, when they finally appeared as the "All Our Own Work" album , on the budget "Hallmark" label.
From: Christopher Dolmetsch, 13 October 1997

Years and years ago a friend told me he was in Copenhagen and saw Sandy & The Strawbs perform at the Tivoli Gardens Park, where they told the audience that they had -just- recorded some of their songs for an album and were seeking a label for distribution. That was the last weekend in May 1967. Dr.D.
From: Levent Varlik, 28 October 1997

Today I've received a copy of the vinyl version of Sandy Denny & The Strawbs' "All Our Own Work" from the RockRelics (£ 25 inc. p&p). I want to reproduce the liner notes on the back sleeve:


"If you like, this is the missing link -the first recordings of us ever made. We were playing in Tivoli for a couple of weeks that Summer- in Thoger Olesen's Visevers Hus.

"Would you want to make an LP’", asked the funny man with the beetle sun glasses and big bushy beard.

"Great!"

Sandy, I remember, slept on the couch that Big Bill Broonzy had slept on; Ron fell backwards off the stage with a bottle of 'elephant' in his hand; I hit Tony under the ear with my banjo, but then he fancied Paul Bach's fifteen year old sister.

Gustav smiled and introduced us to Akvavit, which removed those '10 in the morning' throat wars in a matter o fseconds. Ivar smiled and got the best possible sounds out of the simplest of two track recording equipment. Karl said it all cost too much, and took far too long-but he smiled in the end. In fact we all smiled! Ah, those were the days!
Dave Cousins 1973."

The LP version has some slight differences compared to the CD version (for those who don't know: an orchestral background was added onto the CD version), and for that reason the LP worths to buy. Actually, I'd seen the LP at the Rock Relics stand in Cropredy this year, but I was travelling only with a backpack, and it would be hard to carry it with me till returning to Turkey, to my home, therefore, I ordered it by mail a couple of weeks ago. I was lucky for it wasn't already sold to somebody else. Thanks RockRelics!

In my opinion, the highlight of this LP is Who Knows Where The Time Goes, and it is very very different than the one on Unhalfbricking, and this LP version (not the CD one) has always been my favourite with its jazzy sound. I'd wish they'd transfer the original LP on the the CD version, without adding the orchestral backing.

I’m clarifying the differences between the LP and CD versions of "All Our Own Work" of Sandy Denny & The Strawbs:

1- The album title is "All Our Own Work" on the LP, and "Sandy Denny The Strawbs" on the CD.

2- Track orders are different on LP and CD.

3- A lush orchestral backing for four of the songs is added on the CD. String arrangements by Svend Lundvig on "Who Knows Where The Time Goes", "And You Need Me", "All I Need Is You" and "Stay Awhile With Me".

4- "Sweetling" and "Wild Strawberries" are omitted for the CD.

5- The CD version includes "Poor Jimmy Wilson", "I’ve Been On My Worst Friend" and "Two Weeks Last Summer", while these are not recorded on the LP.

6- "Nothing Else Will Do" is sung by Sandy on the CD (which is, in my opinion, one of the highlights of the album, a beautiful performance by Sandy), while it was sung by Cousins on the LP version.

7- On "Tell Me What You See In Me", Cy Nicklin plays sitar on the CD version, that is not heard on the LP.

8- Sleeve designs and sleeve notes are different.

9- On the CD I have "Two Weeks Last Summer" is way too fast and Sandy sounds like one of the Chipmunks. On my CD this track is 2:07 (info by Paul Hosken, a listmember). On the Fotheringay CD there is a 3:27 min version of "Two Weeks Last Summer”
From: Brent Burhans, 14 July 1998

For "All Our Own Work", are there two labels that released this-Pickwick 813 (1968) and Hallmark SHM 813 (1973)- actually the same company? And what exactly was the artist name on these?

Hallmark was an imprint of Pickwick International, so it was the same company, as I understand it. My '73 Hallmark SHM 813 has a prominent Pickwick logo and info on the back cover. Wasn't it only released in Denmark in 1968? Perhaps it was on Pickwick "proper" there. The cover of my SHM 813 has "Sandy Denny and The Strawbs" while the label has "The Strawbs featuring Sandy Denny".

She Moves Through The Fair

From: Levent Varlik, 18 May 1998

I've received the article below from the All About Eve List (a great band, a great list!) today. It's about the song "She Moves Through The Fair". Actually I always wonder if it's really "Moves" or "Moved", 'cause I've listened lots of covers under both titles. The original mail belongs to Lorna Piper rom the AAE List:

You may be interested to know that although this song is regarded as traditional it was in fact written this Century and is probably still, technically, in copyright - see article below for info.

If you were fortunate enough to see AAE perform this live their intro, with a single drum beat repeated, made this song even more powerful and emotive than other versions I've heard.

Lorna Piper


She Moves Through The Fair
If you’ve seen the film "Michael Collins" recently, you will have heard one of the most famous of Irish folk songs, "She Moves Through The Fair", sung by Sinead O’Connor, used poignantly in the build-up to the hero’s assassination. Although many a record sleeve copyright notice describes the song as "traditional", it was in fact written by a twentieth-century songwriting partnership, who might not be as well- known as the Gershwins or Lennon and McCartney, but who deserve much credit for their part in the folk music revival of the early part of this century.

The song’s words are by Irish poet Padraic Colum (1881 - 1972), a contemporary and close friend of James Joyce. According to Norman Jeffares’ book Anglo-Irish Literature, Colum’s poem is a translation from an Irish traditional piece.

The tune, based on ‘an old Gaelic tune’, is by Belfast born Herbert Hughes (1882 - 1937), folk song collector and arranger, editor of Irish Folk Music magazine, music critic of the Daily Telegraph, and father of ‘Spike’ Hughes, the well-known writer on jazz and opera. Probably his best known song is his setting of Yeats’s poem ‘Down by the Salley Gardens’. Although set for piano and voice in the tradition of Victorian parlour music, Hughes’s arrangements show great respect for the modal melodies and rhythmic quirks of the folk singers whom he would have heard. Several can be heard on reissued historic recordings by John McCormack and Kathleen Ferrier.

The original poem has four verses. Most modern recordings omit the third, as does the recently republished sheet music (Irish Country Songs, edited by Fiona Richardson, Boosey and Hawkes). This verse runs:

"The people were saying no two e’er were wed
But one has a sorrow that never was said.
And she smiled as she passed me with her goods and her gear
And that was the last
that I saw of my dear."

I suspect most modern ‘folk’ recordings derive from Fairport Convention’s made in 1968, which in turn derives from the singing of the Irish traveller Margaret Barry, who recorded it in London in the 1960s. Her vocal style is very mannered but her sense of rhythm, pitch and drama give her version great power. Curiously, McCormack’s version, recorded in 1941, with the great accompanist Gerald Moore on piano, has these lines but omits the verse containing the phrase ‘She moved through the fair’, which is bizarre. He begins the last verse, ‘I dreamt it last night, my dead love came in’, which compares with Barry’s superior ‘Last night she came to me, my dead love came in’, which is much spookier. Barry sings verses 1, 2 and 4, so she has clearly got the song from a source other than McCormack’s recording.

The omission of verse 3 is a shrewd artistic judgement. Goods and gear are a bit too worldly for the overall ghostly atmosphere of the song. You get the feeling with the shortened version that the lover always was a ghost. The omission brings the song much closer in spirit to the world of traditional ballads - nothing is explained, nothing rationalised. You can put anything your imagination fancies into the great gap between the lovers’ parting in verse 2 and their nightmarish reunion in the final verse.

c 1997 Unicorn issue 59 John O'Dwyer

Lorna Piper. Probably one of the more mature Angels

Putney Vale

From: No'am Newman, 16 December 1998

Take the tube to Putney Bridge station (District Line). Either the 85 or 265 bus will take you to Putney Vale cemetery; they stop right outside the station. It's a ride of about 30-40 minutes. Once inside the cemetery you have to get to block V, grave 38. The people in the office there will give you a little map. Opening hours are 8am to 4pm in the summer, but I think that in the winter they open later and close earlier. Be aware that just behind Sandy's grave is a joint one 'housing' both Sandy's brother and mother.

PS: Ask in the administration after Ms. Lucas that is the name her is filed under. And when you go back to bus walk along the supermarket, next to the entrence of the cemetary and take there the bus back, then you have to cross the road.

The Original Sandy Denny


From: ENettle, 21 Mar 1998


As stated, it is selections from the 1960's Alex Campbell & Friends lps. The Sandy Denny sung trax from the 1960's Alex Campbell lps were re-issued in 1977 as "The Original Sandy Denny" lp. This 1977 re-issue appeared in two forms, 1) the UK version on Mooncrest and 2) the German version on Nova. These two lps are different in that "Ramblin Boy" only appears on the Mooncrest version along with "So Long" being sung by Campblell with Denny as back-up. The Nova version did not have "Ramblin Boy" but did have "So Long" sung by Denny with Campbell on back up. Obviously as a Denny fan the her version of "So Long" is far superior and the more desirable of the two. The "Original Sandy Denny" cd is a terribly made copy of a scratched version of the Mooncrest version, with "So Long" being sung by Campbell. It wasn't recorded live, there is so much "popcorn noise" from the bad lp they used it sounds almost like audiance noise.

For me, I had the Nova version which gave me the best "So Long", but I had to get "Ramblin' Boy" from the scratchy CD. always taped my lps onto Reel to Reel and listened mostly off cassette copies, therefore my Nova lp was in perfect shape. When DAT came out, I re-taped my collection onto DAT which serves as my master. I listen to my extremely clean version of "The Original Sandy Denny" material now off mini-disc with "Ramblin' Boy" added.

Some cd company should redo this CD with all the material, from clean sources. My lp copies sound infinatly better than this CD. Incidently, the Sandy w/ Strawbs cd is better heard from the UK Pickwick lp. This lp does not have the strings on certain tracks, which I find distracting. I'd rather hear Sandy sing than listen to the strings.

I also saw Sandy at the Well Hall Open Theater, London in 1973 (w/ R. Thompson) which I taped from the audiance. I was a very good, if short show. Sandy is my favorite singer and I enjoy her writing also.
From: Michael A. Bonifazi, 28 March 1998

Perhaps this sounds far-fetched, but more and more I wonder if Sandy Denny ever had the opportunity of meeting and/or collaborating on songs with Donovan P. Leitch - the '1960's hippy, mellow-yellow, flower-child? I know for a fact both artists recorded with Led Zeppelin, and both artists recorded a song called: "Ramblin' Boy."

I am not sure if the song, "Ramblin' Boy" is the same song recorded by both Sandy Denny and Donovan though. Does anyone know for sure? Donovan recorded this song on his debut album, "What's Bin Did And What's Bin Hid". John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin) arranged the song "Mellow Yellow.", and Jimmy Page also recorded with Donovan on "Museum" and "Sunshine Superman."

Did Sandy Denny ever meet Donovan? Knowing these facts regarding both Sandy Denny and Donovan it would seem likely. Similar facts regarding these two artists really makes me wonder!
From: Brent Burhans, 14 July 1998

I'm confused about that the LP version of "The Original Sandy Denny". I've seen references to "B&C Crest28" and "Mooncrest", are these the same? Was it released in 1978, was it titled simply "Sandy Denny"?

The 1978 LP was called "The Original Sandy Denny" and had "Crest 28" as it's catalogue number. However the label is "Mooncrest" and the sleeve gives "B & C Recordings Ltd." along with the label address. I have two copies, both identical except the front cover background is white on one and grey on the other.

Does aanyone have a track listing for the 1970 Saga 8153 "Sandy Denny" LP? I think this has nine of ten songs on "The Original Sandy Denny".

The missing track is 'My Ramblin' Boy'. Isn't the version of 'Been On The Road So Long' on "The Original Sandy Denny" different than the one on the Saga album?

In Sandy's Memory, I Have No Thought of Leaving...

From: Pam Winters, 6 January 1998

Fifty-one years ago today, a baby was born in London. I'm sure her parents loved her. She completed a family straight out of popular song: "A boy for you, a girl for me/Can't you see how happy we will be!" But beyond that little family, no one paid much attention.

Everybody changes somebody's life. A few people, sometimes in spite of themselves, change a lot of lives. Some go on changing lives well after their own lives have ended.
Alexandra Elene Maclean Denny, in a way, has accomplished as much in the 20 years since her death as in the 31 years that preceded it. Those of us who never knew her are nonetheless lucky that she was here for a little while, and that her music is here still.

I'm going to play something joyous tonight, something that would have made Sandy laugh to think about singing it. Maybe "Down in the Flood" or "Until the Real Thing Comes Along." That's the Sandy I like best, the one who laughed. "She was a real character," people have told me, with affection in their voices. And I've watched their eyes glance back as if maybe they could glimpse her again. Listen, listen: she's still there, in a way, if we want her to be.

People celebrate their own birthdays, but especially since Sandy's not around, we should all celebrate 6 January in her honor. So happy birthday to all of you, especially to those who were fortunate enough to know her. Happy birthday to us all.
From: Emmanuelle, 6 January 1998

Pam wrote: "Everybody changes somebody's life. A few people, sometimes in spite of themselves, change a lot of lives. Some go on changing lives well after their own lives have ended. Alexandra Elene Maclean Denny, in a way, has accomplished as much in the 20 years since her death as in the 31 years that preceded it. Those of us who never knew her are nonetheless lucky that she was here for a little while, and that her music is here still."

May be lucky is not exactly what I feel. Honoured for being touched by the marvellous voice she had and even more by something she seemed to carry somewhere between mind and soul (still thinking...) that give to her songs this touch of inaccessible beauty over sadness and hope. I guess she was such a character...

Right, this merit my contribution to cheers in birthday date memory. To all of you too! Hoping reading soon more on your book. Emmanuelle
From: Emmanuelle, 17 April 1998

"the most important problem of lonely people is
that's the use of freedom when you're alone
that's the problem that they cannot solve in any way
freedom has to be shared with another guilt lover
for not to let freedom look like the coldness of a dead planet..."
(Attila Ilhan)


When love is one's way, one never feel alone because freedom becomes then a permanent state and is warmed by the burning light inside...

Dear Levent, I often think of you and every Sandy Denny's friends and lovers meeting on your "super-line"... I should be with you more but with heart, but I prefer to use the web-way as less as possible. Today is a special day because my friend Denis called me from the studio where he just finished the out-take for "his" version of the Sandy's song "Jan The Gitan" -in french! it should the third of her song translated, isn't it?... For the moment this is a "rough" work not meant for being edited. He told me that it was a way for an homage in this particular day of memory of her tragical accident, homage that he wanted to share with you all.

I hope you're as well as I am on my own way and wish you the best. Still loving you all.
Emmanuelle
From: No'am Newman, 21 April 1998

It was twenty years ago today... I was driving home during the final days of my university career, when a red traffic light forced me to stop at the top of Hampstead High Street. Out of habit, I looked over to the other side of the road, at the entrance to the underground station; a rack of newspapers was standing there, and I could read the Melody Maker headline - Sandy Denny dead. I immediately wheeled the motorbike over to the other side of the road, and bought a copy of the deadly MM (which I had given up reading, after the rise of punk). The rest you all know.

Ten years ago, I was doing guard duty on the kibbutz and so was listening to the radio (I never listen normally, but one has to listen to something to help the time pass whilst guarding); a young South African immigrant called Charlie Solomon dedicated his entire 10pm show to the memory of Sandy. I had never even considered the possibility of Sandy being played on Israeli radio, so the fact that she received an hour was totally incomprehensible.

I shall play "Autopsy" again; I have listened to that song probably once every two weeks for the last 28 years, and its beauty never fails to move me. Keep well,
Norman
From: Tony Swift, 23 April 1998

I'm no touch typist, but heres the transcription of todays article (Guardian, G2, pp.8-9)


A Wound That Never Healed
Sandy Denny, the British Baez, died tragically at 31. Now two decades later, we are finally realising how good she was. Robin Denselow reports:

Twenty years ago this week the finest British female singer of the last three decades died after a tragic accident. Sandy Denny fell down the stairs of a friend's house, struck her head, and went into a coma. She never regained consciousness. She was 31. At the funeral, a lone piper played The Flowers Of The Forest. I was one of the small group of her friends and fans who stood around the grave that day wondering how she would be remembered.

Sandy was the first great female British singer of the rock era, an unlikely, genial and slightly chubby star whose quiet persona changed utterly once she started singing. Until Sandy came along, the music scene of the sixties had been dominated almost completely by men and by bands, apart from the odd blues singer like Maggie Bell and traditionalists like Norma Waterson.

It was a time when everything and everybody seemed to be connected - there were rock bands experimenting in underground clubs like UFO, and there were eccentrics like Roy Harper or the Incredible String Band emerging through the folk circuit. Sandy managed to combine both these scenes, changing the face of British music almost by accident.

She became the leading vocalist of the new and vibrant British folk-rock scene after she sang a few of her favourite trad songs to her band, Fairport Convention, one night in a dressing room. "We thought, 'What could we do that was different?' said Sandy, "so I sang them some songs." No one in the band seemed to realise the importance of the experiment at first, but Fairport's blend of traditional narrative songs and a sturdy rock band backing became one of the distinctive English rock styles of the sixties and seventies.

Then she moved on, concentrating on her own melancholy songs, many of them obsessed with death, their oblique lyrics utterly at odds with her jovial self. Again, she was moving the British music Scene into new territory, and in the process she became an icon, a home-grown answer to both Joan Baez and Joni Mitchell.

She hasn't been forgotten, 20 years on, but it's the sort of anniversary this self-effacing lady might have expected. Fairport Convention, who produced their greatest work when Sandy and Richard Thompson were part of the line-up, are "not planning to do anything special", but they did revive her best known song Who Knows Where The Time Goes on an album last year. Island records are marking the occasion with a series of releases, starting with Gold Dust, a recording of her last concert at London's Royalty Theatre in November 1977. Unfortunately it would't be in the shops until a month after the anniversary has passed.

It's unfortunate too that there's been a dispute over another "new" Denny album. Released by Strange Fruit, The BBC Sessions 1971-73, was withdrawn on the day it was released after a contractual dispute between record companies. It was special because it's the only recording on which Sandy can be heard playing solo. It's a tribute to Denny's lasting appeal that even this album-that-never-was found its way onto several "best of the year" listings at Christmas.

That might have amused her, in her droll fashion, and she would have been flattered that everyone from Blur to Sonic Youth currently claim to be Denny fans. But she would have acted as if she didn't quite believe it, for despite her achievements she remained painfully modest, even insecure about her work. If she was ever aware of the extent of her talent, she never showed it.

She may have acted at times as if she had no real confidence in herself, but once she started singing she displayed an emotional intensity that was applied to anything from the traditional songs to ragtime or her own haunting ballads.

It's easy to see why she was never quite treated as a superstar in her lifetime (even if she was voted Britain's best female singer time and again in the music press), why she suffered so badly from the whims of pop fashion, and why fellow musicians so admired her. As her latest live releases show, there was a timeless quality to her work. Her career started in a typical mid-sixties fashion. A student at Kensington Art College, she started on the folk circuit. "I liked singing", she told me, "but I was frowned on by the more ethnic folkies." She got bored "flitting around the country by myself. Finding my way to obscure pub", so she joined a then-struggling band, The Strawbs, with whom she recorded one album, before auditioning for Fairport Convention. She confessed, after she'd got the job, that she thought they were American. They certainly sounded that way, with their West Coast blend of soft-rock and Dylan songs. But while she was with them, they developed their interest in folk-rock. Sandy's strong, flexible voice was a match for both the rousing guitar work of Richard Thompson and the fiddle-playing of Dave Swarbrick. But her own song-writhing was developing too, and Who Knows Where The Time Goes was to be a bestseller for the American singer Judy Collins.

Denny moved on, just as the Fairports were becoming famous. At the end of 1969 she started a new band, Fotheringay, with the Australian guitarist Trevor Lucas, whom she was to marry three years later. Soon she moved on yet again, this time to a solo career. She was now the most important woman on the British music scene, but typically refused to act the part. Then 23, she lived in Fulham with Lucas, three cats and an enormous dog, and seemed happy to sit around, making tea, telling jokes, and talking about anything other than her career. I once asked if she was ambitious. "No, yes. Well, I just plod. It just happens." She wouldn't discuss what her songs were about. "They are biographical. About 10 people can understand them. I just take a story and whittle it down to essentials. I wouldn't write songs if they don't mean something to me, but I'm not prepared to tell everyone about my private life, like Joni Mitchell does. I like to be a bit more elusive than that." She elaborated by attacking John Lennon for being too explicit. "He really blew his cool when he explained exactly how he wrote Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds." It wasn't worth pursuing the subject much further.

She recorded three mostly introspective solo albums between 1971 and 1973, but she was still as restless as ever. She made an excursion into rock theatrics, appearing alongside The Who and playing the part of The Nurse in Tommy, proving again that her clear, exquisite voice was a match for any rousing backing. For a while she rejoined Fairport Convention (which now included her husband), but quit once again to make another solo album, Rendezvous, in 1977. By then she was panning to move to America with Lucas and their daughter, Georgia, who was born nine months before her death. She never had a chance to relaunch her career in the States, where the most English of singers might, ironically, have reached a wider audience.
From: Paul Whitehead, November 25, 2005

Yesterday's Daily Telegraph piece about Sandy is below.
 
Mark Hudson reveals the tragic tale of the British Joni Mitchell; Sandy Denny
(Filed: 24/11/2005)


The word sexy is appended these days to every kind of musical performe -not just half- clad techno divas and gravel-voiced soul men, but octogenarian Cubans, classical cellists, even Early Music sopranos. But Sandy Denny?

Twenty-seven years after her death, Denny's status as a pre-eminent folk voice remains undiminished. Her anthem "Who Knows Where the Time Goes?" is one of the great English songs. But sexy? Aren't female folk singers all plain-speaking earth mothers? Isn't there something about folk in general - and British folk in particular- that is wilfully un-erotic?

Yet here's the then 20-year-old Denny, gazing fresh-faced yet pensive from a new collection of her earliest recordings, looking subtly yet undeniably sexy. These songs from 1967 have a heart-rending purity and sincerity that make her later recordings with Fairport Convention and others sound opulent by comparison.

There's the sense here of potential unfulfilled, not just by Denny, but by folk as a whole. If Denny, for all her influence, remains an unsung figure, isn't that how the folkies like it?

Younger singers such as Eliza Carthy and Kate Rusby have earned folk a new respect, but they've remained very much inside the genre. Yet attitudes to folk are changing. Martin Scorsese's Dylan documentary highlighted the singer's need to move on from folk's restrictions, and had the unintended effect of making this music's idealism and wilful marginality seem intriguing and admirable.

Denny's story is about the conflict between remaining on those cosy margins and reaching out for a mainstream success that she was too insecure ever to fully grasp. "Musically, she was the business," says producer Joe Boyd, who worked on four of Denny's albums. "Who Knows..." was the first song she wrote. She knew she was good musically. Yet in every other way, she was very lacking in confidence."

Born and raised in Wimbledon, Alexandra Denny made her folk club debut as a student at Kingston College of Art. Before long, she had outgrown that insular circuit, and joined folk-rock band Fairport Convention.

She was instrumental in moving the group away from imitating the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane towards British traditional music. Yet her time with the Fairports highlighted the conundrum of whether she was a traditional performer or a singer-songwriter of the kind exemplified by Joni Mitchell. There's no reason she couldn't have been both, but the fact that many folkies still deny Denny was ever a real folk singer is indicative of how folk torments itself over such issues.

In 1969, just as Fairport were on the brink of mainstream success, Denny left to form Fotheringay, with her boyfriend (later husband) Trevor Lucas. On one level it made sense: Fairport wanted to take a more traditional direction, while Denny wanted to concentrate on her own songs. Yet, on another level, you get a sense of self-doubt smothering her potential.

She was twice voted best female singer by Melody Maker -an almost unimaginable accolade in the early 1970s. Yet it was the American Judy Collins who had a big hit with "Who Knows Where The Time Goes", not Denny herself, whose biggest exposure came through her appearance on the Led Zeppelin song "The Battle of Evermore".

"She wanted in a way to become more mainstream," says Boyd. "But her high standards didn't allow her to do anything cheesy. Yet when she did compromise, it had the effect of diluting her talent without delivering mainstream success."

Denny died at 32 after falling down a flight of stairs. This was a tragic accident, yet it's difficult not to see her as martyred by being British, female and folk. "She could be very lively and funny," says Boyd. "But she was insecure. She didn't see herself as glamorous, and she bent herself out of shape to accommodate her personal relationships in ways a man probably wouldn't have done."

Most singing is masked by style, but there is nothing between you and Denny - her cool, exquisitely unaffected delivery is redolent both of a timeless pastoral England and her mundane, suburban upbringing. But did she finally have what it took to reach the level of American peers such as Joni Mitchell? 

"Musically, certainly," says Boyd. "If she could have played extensively in America, she would have found a big audience that wasn't prejudiced against folk the way the British are. But to do that, she would have had to have flown a lot, and she was terrified of flying."

Lyrics

From: Levent Varlik, 10 December 1997

Regarding with the email of Helge Gundersen, I’m enclosing a review about Sandy Denny’s poetry which was written by Clive James in 1974. Any contribution would welcome.

In A Lonely Moment

By Clive James, "Let It Rock" Magazine, UK, March 1974
(Reprinted in Fiddlestix, Issue 38, Spring 1995)

Alexandra Elene MacLean Denny, you are charged that in the years between 1968 and 1974 you did, whether wilfully or out of plain carelessness, content yourself with merely becoming a British rock queen, instead of nurturing a world-class songwriting talent into the revolutionary force it once bade fair to be. How do you sing to that?

Well, we know how Sandy Denny sings. Joining Fairport Convention for their exquisite second album, What We Did On Our Holidays, she introduced a rock vocal style that kept power in reserve while energising the melody with precisely focused dynamics. The Denny singing characteristics were put on display all at once, as it no period of development were needed. Notes were hit dead centre with a white-hot needle and held while they burned and faded. It was an open space, low-volume, high-intensity vocal style that left room in its interstices for the Witchseason/Island constellation’s spellbinding electro-fold sound to develop into a new rock idiom -the idiom in which, among others, the earlier and later Fairports, Fotheringay, and Steeleye Span have at one time or another all operated.

If that special rock idiom now shows signs of regressing, of once again becoming solely a folk style -if, that is. Steeleye Span now look like becoming its true heirs and exemplars - the reason can be sought - in the material on which the idiom attempted to build. With the important exception of Richard Thompson, the one person within the style capable of writing a contemporary language was Sandy Denny. And her gift for writing such a language was the very gift which she decided -for one reason or another- not to exploit.

Somebody who can sing so beautifully has little need to be adventurous in her writing as well. It is wise, then, to be grateful for the adventurousness she did show in her early songs -wise to be grateful for that, and wise to accept her later reliance on the well-worked folk vocabulary as inevitable. On What We Did On Our Holidays, her song "Fotheringay" gave concrete evidence of the potential for innovation in "Fotheringay" gave concrete evidence the mind behind the voice:

The evening hour is fading
Within the dwindling sun
And in a lonely moment
Those embers will be gone
And the last
Of all the young bird flown.

Already she was singing with an effortless legato line reminiscent of the famous story about Elizabeth Schumann at the height of her lieder-singing powers: it’s said that Schumann could sing full force into a candle flame without making it so much as waver. Such lavish delicacy of sound, however, tends to deafen us to the quality of the world/music combination itself, which would be interesting even if Bruce Forsyth sang it. Words like "dwindling" and "moment" are partly chosen for the way their grouped consonants resist her tendency to flow unimpeded from vowel to vowel -her temptation to sing English the way Joan Sutherland sings Italian. At this stage Denny is still intent on keeping some Germanic roughage in the text, thereby providing her melodic sweetness with something to bite against.

Equally interesting is her ability to use a literary tense -"And last/Of all the young birds flown" -without slipping into archaism. This is modern grammar and syntax; complex, but contemporary. It was a path along which British rock sorely needed to advance, for there was no escaping from the fact that our most creative rock bands were hampered in their songwriting by lyricists who rarely know the difference between the subjective and objective case. If we were to add a literate element to our store of written material -something comparable to the college-educated rock-writing tradition which in America had airily come up with Jon Sebastian and Randy Newman- then this was the kind of attention to detail that needed desperately to be encouraged.

On Unhalfbricking (1969) Sandy Denny finally recorded her own version of the song airily made well-known by Judy Collins. One of the two or three dozen crucial songs in rock, "Who Knows Were The Time Goes" showed the full power -for the one and only time- of the gift its author so unselfconsciously possessed.

Across the evening sky
All the birds are leaving
But how can they know
It’s time for them to go...

Those terminal vowel sounds (sustained unaltering in the first stanza, intensified and withdrawn in the second, and so on through as many variations as required) were placed at the ideal points for her voice, yet were by no means the most important musical features of a given line. Just as important were the packed consonants, as in

Sad deserted shore
Your fickle friends are leaving...

It’s a strophic song, but short enough -and with enough minor variety from stanza to stanza- not to be in danger from predictability. And here, for once, the loose structure made sense: two stanzas about the birds leaving, and a third about a loved one being away, with no logical connection between the first two and the third, but an emotional unity that needed no interlining. The diction was open to arbitrariness (Collins sang "morning" instead of "evening" and it was hard to see that the difference mattered) but in this case the neutrality of vocabulary helped the song seem timeless by draining it of context -it was just camped elegantly in the void. A superb song, with a forward flow that the Fairport musicians decorated with fastidiously schooled guitar-lines and copybook stick-work on the rim of the snare.

But it’s hard to quell the sneaking suspicion that even this outstanding song would have had more in it if the singer’s voice had not been so capable of filling the gaps. On the same album, "Autopsy" shows Denny’s capacity for melisma taking control of her talent for the lyric and weakening it seriously.

You must philosophise
But why must you bore me to tears?

These are the first two lines of the song, and "philosophise" is the first word you can hear -the previous two are swallowed, and one picks them up in a repetition later on. Most of her attention seems to be spent on the long, virtuoso melismatic surge with which she delivers the long "i" in "philosophise", and in general the linguistic points of the song are undistinguished going on feeble, most notably in the distressing transitional pun form "in tears" to "into ears". (If I have mis-heard this last effect, it’s because the singer hasn’t striven to make it clear.) The song is sung in a continuous blur of vowels: abstract prettiness is the enemy and already rearing its gorgeous empty head.

Liege & Lief, her last album with Fairport Convention, was avowedly a folk-orientated effort: carefully edited texts from ye olde Englishe heritage. Here, had she but known it, was a straight message from the Muse: the text of "Tam Lin" should have told her that the language of the past is too alive to be copied, and can only be competed with by the language of the present. As it happened, she went on to attempt a contemporary folk language composed mainly of archaisms, and so was unable either to extend the resources of the modern song or add to the heritage of the ancient one -which was composed, in its time, not out of scholarship but out of the language of the day. Swarbrick’s excellent edition of "Tam Lin" (there are dozens of versions, but his is of exactly the right length and dramatic structure) has the continuous linguistic interest by which a strophic song can gain from its repetitive form, and inversions like "as fast as go can she" fall with a naturalness that no modern writer can possibly match. She sang the song with dazzling attack, as alive to its theatrical force as she was deaf to its lesson.

On Fotheringay (1970) her voice has begun, in good earnest, to do its own writing, and the writing has begun the destructive process of turning into a mere pretext for exercising the pipes. "The Sea" and "Winter Winds" are two of her loveliest melodies, however, and eminently listenable even when one has abandoned all attempts to find the lyric substantial. "Don’t you know I am a joker/A deceiver?" she sings in "The Sea" and it’s to become of recognisable modern English that it to become all too rare. In "Winter Winds" her leading tricks of syntax are well established.

Winter winds, they do blow cold
The time of year, it is chosen...

There folksy constructions were to become a besetting vice. Nor is the song’s structure anything better than slapdash, submetophysical arguments being advanced as if self-demonstrating. "He who sleeps, he does not see/The coming of the seasons" Fulfilling of a dream/Without a time to reason." The song didn’t care about clarifying itself along its length, and on the other hand couldn’t be called fruitfully complex: it was a bung-it-down lyric, naked and unashamed. Also becoming apparent -a disease soon to be rampant- was her reliance on a very restricted range of props. Sea-captains, birds, lonely shores: these were her belated contribution to a folk kitty already bulging with witches, blacksmiths, gibbets and butter-churns. But the awkward truth is that to separate yourself from contemporary life is no guarantee of achieving timelessness.

The North Star Grassman and the Ravens (1971) was a solo album in the strict sense, with Sandy Denny’s name and image dominating the cover. Witchseason Productions had given way to Warlock Music, and the fairy princess was to be seen busy among her herbs and simples. To my ear, the music which had always seemed limited to a certain kit of intervals has by now become familiar to the point of monotony, and the linguistic mannerisms are out of control. "The wine, it all was drunk/The ship, it was sunk" she sings in "Late November", and in (guess what) "The Sea Captain" we hear her declare: "From the shore I did fly/... the wind, it did gently blow/For the night, it was warn" etc. After a few tracks of such relentless syntactical fidgets, the listener’s patience, it is exhausted.

"Next Time Around" convincingly demonstrates that a strophic form can’t be sustained even by the most scrupulous singing unless either (a) the argument advances, or (b) the imagery varies. And her imagery -in the title track, to take one especially disabling example- is by this stage all too predictable. Birds and sea show up in every song. Only two songs show signs of originality: "Next Time Around", which is spoiled by its "the winter it is long" constructions beyond the ability of the tactful Harry Robinson strings to save it, and "John The Gun", which has at least one fine throwback to her early style.

... so I will teach your sons
And if they should die before the evening
Of their span of days
Why then they will die young.

"Span of days" -that really is timeless language, the very sort of ordinary/extraordinary speech she should always have been plucking out of the air, instead of drowsily half-recalling all that daft chat about sea captains.

Benefit of the doubt must be given to Sandy (1972), in which she is clearly resting on her laurels. "It’ll Take A Long Time" has its full complement of sailors, storms and sea, with a chorus which owes its sentiment to Crosby, Stills and Nash. "There is no need for rules/There’s no-one to score the game" she sings -a non-writer’s idea of profundity which would be understandable coming from one of our more notorious fake lyricists but is merely incongruous coming from her. Some lines in "The Lady" could easily provide this article with an ending:

The lady she had a silver tongue
For to sing she said
And maybe that’s said

But the conclusions I prefer to reach are very different. First of all, her upcoming album (which at the time of writing I have had no opportunity to hear) might do the unexpected and show her embarked on a different course. Second, she is more than just a singer. In a far more interesting sense than rock stars like Carole King or Carly Simon, she is a songwriter -her gift for language is unmistakable. That so marked a gift can become a casualty seems to me a fundamental problem. Is it just that the rock audience can’t tell chalk from cheese, and so discourages those who can from going on caring about the difference? Or is it that the beautiful singer, lacking limitations, is turned aside from art by having no obstacles to overcome?

Sandy Denny is a pleasant representative of the most pleasant scene in British rock- the well-bred, well brushed, clean-edged and gently lyrical constellation of electro-folk. Violins and guitars and Maddy Prior step-dancing: it’s a world of its own, an acquisition, one of the undeniably good things to have happened in British music. In a very British triumph of continuity, pop has been joined to the past. But Sandy Denny could have done, and might still do, that dangerous some thing extra, taking the full resources of contemporary speech and turning them into song.
From: Helge Gundersen, 9 December 1997

I've been subscribing to this list for a few months, and discovered Sandy Denny not too long before that. I venture to say that there is little analysis and appraisal of Sandy's music and lyrics in (on?) this list (even if Emmanuelle touched on something the other day). Maybe it takes more time to come up with that than discographical and biographical details... (I'm not saying there's anything wrong with topics like those). Anyway: One of my favourites of Sandy's tunes is After Halloween. The demo version (haven't heard the other one) is superbly sung, and the guitar accompaniment is really all she needs. The quite distinctive music must be some of the most lyrical she wrote, and the same could be said for the lyrics (given below, stolen from the music transcription section at the web site).

I wondered if any of you are willing to act as literary analysts. The lyrics look meaningful, but I feel I don't quite grasp its meaning. (Not exceptional! ...but I like this song so much that I'd like to go further.) In particular (but not only), the function of "the sea" is too unclear to me. What is it about the reality of the sea? And how is the relationship between the tears and the sea? Etcetera.

Interpretations, anyone...? Helge (Oslo, Norway)

Red and gold and halloween have passed us by,
The charcoal branches lean against the rosy sky,
You are so far away and I could touch you if I may,
But don't you worry now, I'm only dreaming anyway.
You may be lonely, you may be just on your own.
It could be anywhere, some place that I have known.
But who am I and do we really live these days at all,
And are they simply feelings we have learnt and do recall.
Oh the sea has made me cry,
But I love her too, so maybe I love you.
Tears are only made of salt and water,
And across the waves the sound of laughter.
October has gone and left me with a song
That I will sing to you although the moment may be wrong.
Could it be the sea's as real as you and I?
I often wonder why I always have to say I'm only dreaming anyway.
Could it be the sea's as real as you and I?
I often wonder why I always have to say I'm only dreaming anyway.


From: Emmanuelle, 11 December 1997


Gundersen wrote:
I've been subscribing to this list a few months, and discovered Sandy Denny not too long before that. I venture to say that there is little analysis and appraisal of Sandy's music and lyrics in (on?) this list (even if Emmanuelle touched on something the other day).


I feel just a little bit more safe for what you say about my attempt for get a deeper attention on what are ( or were) these people who thouch me so deeply through their songs and music. Those who know me a little more than "good bye and hello, and how does the time go?..." may think this is a hobby for me but it's more serious: it's the only way of feeling I'm able in each encounter in my life. So, happy to find somebody to talk with about those immaterial but eternal tracks of one happening soul in a so moving and fragile woman She (Sandy) seems to me !

One of my favourites of Sandy's tunes is "After Halloween". The demo version (haven't heard the other one) is superbly sung, and the guitar accompaniment is really all she needs. The quite distinctive music must be some of the most lyrical she wrote, and the same could be said for the lyrics (given below, stolen from the music transcription section at the web site). I wondered if any of you are willing to act as literary analysts. The lyrics look meaningful, but I feel I don't quite grasp its meaning. (Not exceptional! ...but I like this song so much that I'd like to go further.) In particular (but not only), the function of "the sea" is too unclear to me. What is it about the reality of the sea? And how is the relationship between the tears and the sea? Etcetera.

This song is one of my favourite too, and I did wonder too about the meaning of the sea, in this one and in the others, as more as she said that may be she didn't gave any sense only she likes the sea and likes to be moved by the sea. In "After Halloween" I think the sea couls symbolise the way she loosed her lover as if he was a sailor ( like in a lot of traditional songs). What is outstandingly well evoked in this song, I think, is the quiet sway of mind between dream and reality, between hope and acceptance, when one does want to trust life and fate whatever could have happened. What touchs me so much that I can't explain it in a few words is the way she uses to say as simply as if it was so simple that you can touch anybody you love anywhere he could be, if only you could make your dream be reali ty. Well, it may seem strange to explore that kind of feelings in an english song for a french girl who can't lay claim to any acknowledged ability on that as long as I need to compare the two or three or five... possible senses of each word I use here... May be I dreamed that I met somebody who could understand what I mean...

Helge, yesterday I was wondering about a probable link between tears and the sea in the song "The Sea". Is that a simple coincidence or is there here one kind of trail? One could ask too about the dream meanings... ("After Halloween", "I'm A Dreamer", "Winter Winds"...) One could ask about impossibility of sharing the understanding of life... ("Solo", "The Sea", "Nothing More"...)

Two weeks ago, I have been very happy to meet and drink a beer, speaking of music and people, with the Fairport Convention actual members, after one hearty joyfull excellent concert in Belgium. They are men like we are but they have so much fair music and intemporal images... despite of being as human as us, poor and glorious, glorious and poor. That's what interest me. Sandy is a great people, that's why I am here. But the one who stones me is Richard Thompson... Would anybody be interested on discussion and comparisons in that way of analysis about those people and what they did?

If not,

I'm sorry for taking so much of your space
I'll be taking my business elsewhere

All my regards to everybody d.chum, Emmanuelle Parrenin
From: John Russell, 16 December 1997

Helge and Emmanuelle have gotten me thinking about the sea now too. Part of "After Halloween" seems to be in the same vein as The Music Weaver - a story about longing and the melancholy of being alone: perhaps After Halloween is about missing Trevor when he's off on tour and she home alone? "The Sea" then is this vast distance, this body which separates and isolates and which surrounds her -she lives on an island after all- but is also something that can be overcome, because tears will end and the sea is just a whole bunch of tears, just salt and water, and the loneliness will end. It's a very melancholy song and think some of the images are just impressions of that melancholy, images to give a feeling of melancholy and of longing: the first stanza is perfect in that regard - it sets up a bleak landscape. I really liked Emmanuelle's idea of Sandy expressing the impossibility of sharing the understanding of life - Sandy's songs seem often to be expressing feelings about how there can be so much distance between people, that there is so much that can't be conveyed. Not in the sense of absolute alienation of someone like Nick Drake, but conveying an uncertainty about getting people to understand - "Maybe I dreamed that I met somebody who could understand what I mean..." as Emmanuelle put it.

Well, enough fun; I've got to get back to writing a paper.

John Russell, Boston College
From: Emmanuelle, 17 December 1997

John Penhallow wrote: In French, not only does Sandy sing the song for a mature expanded world market audience but it just sounds so more sensitive, how that never got release on the Continent I'll never know..... or did it??

Well, well, as a french speaker, I must admit I am not too convinced about Sandy's spelling. I am not surprised it was never released in France. BTW, "Si Tu Dois Partir" may also sound excitingly exotic to British listeners but not exactly french to french ears. I don't know what Emmanuelle thinks of this. I definitely would not include any of these two in my Sandy playlist.

I can't tell my opinion about "Ecoute, Ecoute" as long as I don't know the version ( still hoping some body will tell me on what record it has been released ). What I think about "Si Tu Dois Partir" : it sounds exotic to me too, because of the so english accent. I take the song for what it has been, I think : a trying of special hommage to Dylan and Cajun music, in a special cheerful ( possibly cheers-full too, if I dared a guess, paying attention of accidental percussions noises in the song) moment... A funny wink from an english folk band to french folk's "amateurs" listeners... It is not in my play list neither in yours but I don't dislike to listen it, for the fun.

Thanks too, Levent. I agree with the special attention on the "living" modern language Sandy she uses in her songs. It gives a kind of wave movement to the verses: the sea again...

John Russell wrote: Helge and Emmanuelle have gotten me thinking about the sea now too... I really liked Emmanuelle's idea of Sandy expressing theimpossibility of sharing the understanding of life - Sandy's songs seem often to be expressing feelings about how there can be so much distance between people, that there is so much that can't be conveyed. ot in the sense of absolute alienation of someone like Nick Drake, but conveying an uncertainty about getting people to understand - "Maybe I dreamed that I met somebody who could understand what I mean..." as Emmanuelle put it.

Thank you, John, for your ideas about "After Halloween". I think you must be right. Happy to meet somebody who seems to understand what I mean... although we aren't speaking about our own personnal understanding of life. Speaking of others is a beginning of sharing that, I think, that's why some are writing songs may be...

d.chum Emmanuelle Parrenin
From: Helge Gundersen, 17 December 1997

Emmanuelle, John, and you others,

I was first thinking of the same as John, "The Sea" as something vast which separates people (like "My Bonnie is Over the Ocean", ha-ha). But if I understand Emmanuelle correctly, she suggests we have an allusion to the way sea takes away people (they drown), for instance the fate of many fishermen. Maybe this isn't crucial; "he" is in some way "gone" in any event, and death can simply symbolise "not near" (but perhaps a certain permanence in this separation?). She (or "I") is singing this after Halloween, when, as far as I understand (I live in a very protestant country...) the dead souls are remembered and honoured. The landscape, as John points out, does evoke melancholy. But we may perhaps more specifically add that the branches look like burnt, and the leaves are dead and gone (did they glow red and gold like embers?).

But is also something that can be overcome, because tears will end and the >sea is just a whole bunch of tears, just salt and water, and the loneliness will end.

A-ha, this looks interesting. Emmanuelle wrote something about the sway between dream and reality, hope and acceptance, and it seems like if it's so that the loneliness will end, it will be as an acceptance of the "gone-ness", not that the two people will physically meet. Or what?

She obviously loves the sea, and to me this just seems like a fact in this song (I don't know why she does). But why should she maybe love him because she loves the sea? (I'm thinking aloud now.)

Possibly the song can be taken on more than one level: picturing a personal relationship between two people, and more general relationships between people. I agree that Emmanuelle's idea of understanding between people is interesting.

Helge, yesterday I was wondering about a probable link between tears and the sea in the song "The Sea". Is that a simple coincidence or is there here one kind of trail? One could ask too about the dreammeanings... ("After Halloween", "I'm A Dreamer", "Winter Winds"...) One could ask about impossibility of sharing the understanding of life... ("Solo", "The Sea", "Nothing More"...)

This certainly looks like worth looking into. But I don't think I've much to deliver myself in this respect at the moment (maybe you have?). Just some general thoughts: When an author often returns to a motif, like the sea, or dreaming, she may do so in more or less different ways in different poems or songs. I don't remember the lyrics for "I'm a Dreamer" now, but isn't the dream motif in "After Halloween" on a more personal level than in that song?

I haven't looked much at the lyrics for "The Sea", but so far I can't see how tears come in. But do tell me what you think. The music of "The Sea" is great, and the whole band plays it soooo beautifully. I'm a bit unsure about the lyrics. But immediately it looks like "After H." comes more straight out of Sandy's heart, while "The Sea" is slightly mannered. And what does the song really convey? Maybe "hiding from the island" is a clue? The people think the sea is doing that, while she is really doing quite the opposite (taking land). But why? But it may very well be me, and not the song!

This is more than a nice change of pace from the acetate matrix numbers and exact marriage dates... (friendly smile).

Cheers, Helge


From: Emmanuelle, 17 January 1998


Thinking about the Sandy's lyrics evolution through the years.

I've listened the Fotheringay album a lot these times... (I love it a lot). Then I remembered our view exchanges about the sea in Sandy's songs. What about "The Sea", in Fotheringay?

I told you my feeling that there was a link between tears and sea in this song, as it appears more evidently - I concede - in "After Halloween". Going more far into this feeling that seemed first so tenuous and inexplicable, I got the clue as standing out the flow (and look, I'm trying here a double sense image...) because it's actually this word that evoked me tears. But why?

OK! She seems to have some reproaches counter to people who didn't understand or didn't care about what she felt or thought or did. Tears are never so far when you feel that way, isn't it? And as tears flow, seas grow... Nobody knows, and you feel angry because they only can't see, thinking you're hiding because they only see a shell that could be empty. Then the anger grows, as the flow is growing, and should they be all drowned in the downpour...

Tears, sea, and downpour. Well, you could think it's late at the end of the week and I must be exhausted by taking care about people's feeling and understanding of life as doing my job too seriously and may be in vain utopia hopes but... I really see her waiting for the land, after the sea will end...

I come again in the dream'n'reality sway point. I think this is why I love Sandy although her voice and singing are so moving. She is like a little girl (a psychologist would have say "a child" but I prefer "little girl" as I'm one too I think) still owning this marvellous chilhood's magic thought...

By the way she seems to be, at the Fotheringay period, in a constructive view, looking back with a kind of serenity: no matter of past errors, they were fallacy as all is vain, just believe and wait, trust your dream ...

One guitarist listmember asked before Christmas about if Sandy was depressive or not. I think people like her become depressive when they loose their natural hability to question life and I think alcool (that we know she used a bit) is a way for some to entertain this way of thinking , in opposition of those who prefer to watch life as drawned in the marble of certainty and become depressed when questions appear (then, alcohol becomes a symptom, isn't it doctor?).

Well it's late, really! and I have some more message to send.

So, cheers to you all.

Emmanuelle (french but not dumb)


From: Emmanuelle, 18 January 1998


Thinking about the Sandy's lyrics' evolution through the years. [About the sea] I really see her waiting for the land, after the sea will end... By the way she seems to be, at the Fotheringay period, in a constructive view, looking back in a kind of serenity: no matter of past errors, they were fallacy as all is vain, trust your dream...

Then, Helge and I had an exchange about the images weared by the sea in After Halloween. And thinking about what we said I reminded having red something in a Sandy's interview on the absolutely welcomed "golddust" site ( Interview by Jerry Gilbert in Sounds, 08/09/73)

(... about a preoccupation with sea, in her earlier solo albums ..) ...I dunno, I just love things like that. When I write songs I often picture myself standing on a beach or standing on a rock or promenade or something like this (...) and I find myself describing what I am looking at and often it's the sea. (...) I really can't anywhere that's nicer than that.

So when she says, in "After Halloween":

Oh the sea has made you cry
And I love her too
So may be I love you too.

I think it may be a private reference to her personal life and the easier guess is about Trevor and her ( then, I join here John Russel, and it's becuase I tried to crosscheck the dates I had here or there about Sandy's life and recording ). It's possibly a reference to a real event of their life and remember the Fotheringay had been recording just one year before : "Late November" in automn 1970, ( AH recorded in spring 72 must have been wrote in autumn 71). Looking back to her airplane fear wich she recognizes to be the source of Late November, can't we imagine that the sea, wich is in the heart of this song too, remains her in this alone anniversary of Halloween 71 (Trevor's with FC in US, isn't he? Please correct me if I mistake) all they share a year before. May be they laughed about this fear...

across the waves the sound of a laughter...

Now, alone she thinks about it, and about the sea can separate people so definitively sometimes even if the era of shipping is ended because airplanes can fall as ship could sink...

Ultimately, this song is a real love song about wondering what IS love. Is it when you miss somebody as a kind of jealous asking - "does he think about me just now?". Is it when you're move by those leasts remindings ? Does she know ?

I come again in the dream'n'reality sway point.

I think this is why I love Sandy although her voice and singing are so moving. She is like a little girl (a psychologist would have say "achild" but I prefer "little girl" as I am one too I think) still owning this marvellous childhood's magic thought...

At this time she seems to be in another mood than serene secure feelings. Life gave her some grain to mill... But she stays so cristalline for all that... So lovely... I think now to her two first solo albums... Well, enough words for today.

So, cheers to you all.

Emmanuelle (french but not dumb - oh! God what a chatter!)


From: Ellie Leonard, 6 May 1998


I thought I'd mail you all to see what you thought of something I've been thinking about a lot recently. I know Sandy said herself that the meanings of her songs are meant to be obscure, and that it's very hard for us now to appreciate why and how she wrote them. But I was interested in hearing how other fans have interpreted her songs in a personal way. I don't mean by trying to guess what she meant in the first place, but by applying them to personal situations. I'd be especially interested to hear from people who have been helped by the strong positive meanings in some of the songs. So I guess I ought to start the ball rolling...

To me, "No More Sad Refrains" spoke about thinking more positively, and encouraged me to make an effort to recover from a couple of bad depressions. On a bad day it seemed like there was no way out and that thinking positively wasn't going to help, but on the better days the message of this song ("I won't linger over any tragedies...") seemed so relevant and full of hope.

"Full Moon", although directed at someone identified only as "lover", has connotations of a spiritual discovery and I found this quite positive too, that we never need be alone.

During one of my worst times, I made a compilation of favourite songs (mostly Sandy, FC & Runrig), starting with slow reflective ones like "Sloth" and a couple of my more gloomy self-compositions, and working towards these songs which I found to be very positive. This tape helped to improve my mood every time I listened to it.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Ellie, (currently in the middle of finals, but just rediscovered "Heyday"